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		<title>By: English translation of El País analyst's take on the Chavez-Aznar-Zapatero row &#124; nv1962</title>
		<link>http://nv1962.net/2007/09/25/english-translation-of-the-aznar-bush-transcript/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>English translation of El País analyst's take on the Chavez-Aznar-Zapatero row &#124; nv1962</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Ernesto Ekaizer &#8212; the same one who wrote the analysis accompanying the publication of the now famous Aznar-Bush transcript &#8212; who casts a clinical eye on the widely misunderstood spat between Venezuelan president Hugo [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ernesto Ekaizer &#8212; the same one who wrote the analysis accompanying the publication of the now famous Aznar-Bush transcript &#8212; who casts a clinical eye on the widely misunderstood spat between Venezuelan president Hugo [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: UAMBAMBLICS &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Exile (was) On Main Street</title>
		<link>http://nv1962.net/2007/09/25/english-translation-of-the-aznar-bush-transcript/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>UAMBAMBLICS &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Exile (was) On Main Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] se e qualche ma: El Pais (in spagnolo) &#124; NV1962 (in inglese) &#124; Blogrunner &#124; Iraq libero! (19 gennaio 2003) &#124; Iraq libero! (27 settembre 2007) &#124; La [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] se e qualche ma: El Pais (in spagnolo) | NV1962 (in inglese) | Blogrunner | Iraq libero! (19 gennaio 2003) | Iraq libero! (27 settembre 2007) | La [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: nv1962</title>
		<link>http://nv1962.net/2007/09/25/english-translation-of-the-aznar-bush-transcript/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>nv1962</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 06:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You mean, of course, "thanks for the translation into English". Anyway, you're welcome. As to the transcript, you can thank &lt;a href="http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/Llego/momento/deshacerse/Sadam/elpepunac/20070926elpepinac_1/Tes" rel="nofollow"&gt;El País&lt;/a&gt; for publishing it, and their source for providing it, even when it's a &lt;em&gt;mere&lt;/em&gt; four and a half years after the conversation took place, even when the content doesn't but confirm the impressions those outside the US already had, based on what Hans Blix, Mohammad el-Baradei, Dominique de Villepin, and Gerhard Schröder already indicated at the time.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean, of course, &#8220;thanks for the translation into English&#8221;. Anyway, you&#8217;re welcome. As to the transcript, you can thank <a href="http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/Llego/momento/deshacerse/Sadam/elpepunac/20070926elpepinac_1/Tes" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/Llego/momento/deshacerse/Sadam/elpepunac/20070926elpepinac_1/Tes');">El País</a> for publishing it, and their source for providing it, even when it&#8217;s a <em>mere</em> four and a half years after the conversation took place, even when the content doesn&#8217;t but confirm the impressions those outside the US already had, based on what Hans Blix, Mohammad el-Baradei, Dominique de Villepin, and Gerhard Schröder already indicated at the time.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: JDeiro</title>
		<link>http://nv1962.net/2007/09/25/english-translation-of-the-aznar-bush-transcript/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>JDeiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 06:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the fake transcript!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the fake transcript!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: nv1962</title>
		<link>http://nv1962.net/2007/09/25/english-translation-of-the-aznar-bush-transcript/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>nv1962</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Steve - thanks for visiting. Actually, your rationale is not symmetric to the figures provided for the cost of the war in Iraq. In those estimated totals, there's a factored trade-off in &lt;em&gt;money saved&lt;/em&gt; (and/or benefits achieved by) the war. So, while you're quite probably right that the &lt;em&gt;outlays&lt;/em&gt; may well be higher than the roughly $100bn, you neglect to factor in the offset of money saved, for example: in overall recovered productivity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As to Mrs. Rodham-Clinton's proposal to enforce a mandatory &lt;em&gt;insurance,&lt;/em&gt; there are still an awful lot of turns and corners that have to be worked out. Personally, I'm in favor of providing the same guarantee of efficacy and efficiency to the entity overseeing the implementation of what really ought to be a government's priority policy providing of universal public health care - by the same entity that's already proven, for many decades, to offer such guarantees at a &lt;strong&gt;fraction&lt;/strong&gt; of the by comparison usury (not to mention a stronger qualification) overhead of "operating costs" of private enterprises, namely in programs such as Medicaid and Medicare. There's absolutely &lt;em&gt;nothing&lt;/em&gt; to justify the mythical mantra of "government inefficiency" in handling national (as in: universal) social health care programs, other than sheer prejudice.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If the same type of people in charge of corporations that currently "manage" health insurance policies were to get their hands on such a national program, the result would be a multiplication by several orders of magnitude of the inefficacy and inefficiency that is driven by sheer top-level executives' greed. Their bottom line is in juxtaposition with the social purpose entrusted to them; in a national program, their role should be marginal at best.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As to the "insolvency" of the "social security system", I believe that the mad caps placed on top-level incomes bears the brunt of the blame. And that's not a partisan issue, it's simply the result of a collective wrong-headed mindset. A mindset that has led to such nigh inexplicable situations as the current one regarding access to health care, where a historic misunderstood concept of government and government accountability has "managed" to leave dozens of millions of fellow citizens out in the cold, and to die. That is a "problem" that can't and won't be solved by placing more or less clever tags and labels on programs (e.g., by referring to "insurance" while it's inevitably a rolling pay-as-you-go approach, where the nation's welfare dictates the citizens' wellbeing).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Honesty and clarity is an absolute prerequisite in that debate, not partisan or otherwise ideologically stumped reflexive attitudes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To paraphrase a time-tested axiom: the greatness of a nation is greatly judged by the treatment of its most vulnerable citizens. The future of a great nation lies, therefore, even more so in the hands of its current citizens' ability to devise a civilized, reasonable and sensible approach to discussing the path to that future.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The "cost of a government run health care system", even while objectively much, much lower than a commercial alternative, should be considered in light of its overall &lt;em&gt;benefits.&lt;/em&gt; Cost of opportunity and all that jazz.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve - thanks for visiting. Actually, your rationale is not symmetric to the figures provided for the cost of the war in Iraq. In those estimated totals, there&#8217;s a factored trade-off in <em>money saved</em> (and/or benefits achieved by) the war. So, while you&#8217;re quite probably right that the <em>outlays</em> may well be higher than the roughly $100bn, you neglect to factor in the offset of money saved, for example: in overall recovered productivity.</p>

<p>As to Mrs. Rodham-Clinton&#8217;s proposal to enforce a mandatory <em>insurance,</em> there are still an awful lot of turns and corners that have to be worked out. Personally, I&#8217;m in favor of providing the same guarantee of efficacy and efficiency to the entity overseeing the implementation of what really ought to be a government&#8217;s priority policy providing of universal public health care - by the same entity that&#8217;s already proven, for many decades, to offer such guarantees at a <strong>fraction</strong> of the by comparison usury (not to mention a stronger qualification) overhead of &#8220;operating costs&#8221; of private enterprises, namely in programs such as Medicaid and Medicare. There&#8217;s absolutely <em>nothing</em> to justify the mythical mantra of &#8220;government inefficiency&#8221; in handling national (as in: universal) social health care programs, other than sheer prejudice.</p>

<p>If the same type of people in charge of corporations that currently &#8220;manage&#8221; health insurance policies were to get their hands on such a national program, the result would be a multiplication by several orders of magnitude of the inefficacy and inefficiency that is driven by sheer top-level executives&#8217; greed. Their bottom line is in juxtaposition with the social purpose entrusted to them; in a national program, their role should be marginal at best.</p>

<p>As to the &#8220;insolvency&#8221; of the &#8220;social security system&#8221;, I believe that the mad caps placed on top-level incomes bears the brunt of the blame. And that&#8217;s not a partisan issue, it&#8217;s simply the result of a collective wrong-headed mindset. A mindset that has led to such nigh inexplicable situations as the current one regarding access to health care, where a historic misunderstood concept of government and government accountability has &#8220;managed&#8221; to leave dozens of millions of fellow citizens out in the cold, and to die. That is a &#8220;problem&#8221; that can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t be solved by placing more or less clever tags and labels on programs (e.g., by referring to &#8220;insurance&#8221; while it&#8217;s inevitably a rolling pay-as-you-go approach, where the nation&#8217;s welfare dictates the citizens&#8217; wellbeing).</p>

<p>Honesty and clarity is an absolute prerequisite in that debate, not partisan or otherwise ideologically stumped reflexive attitudes.</p>

<p>To paraphrase a time-tested axiom: the greatness of a nation is greatly judged by the treatment of its most vulnerable citizens. The future of a great nation lies, therefore, even more so in the hands of its current citizens&#8217; ability to devise a civilized, reasonable and sensible approach to discussing the path to that future.</p>

<p>The &#8220;cost of a government run health care system&#8221;, even while objectively much, much lower than a commercial alternative, should be considered in light of its overall <em>benefits.</em> Cost of opportunity and all that jazz.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve M.</title>
		<link>http://nv1962.net/2007/09/25/english-translation-of-the-aznar-bush-transcript/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You and Hillary are living in a fantasy world if you think that the cost of providing healthcare  to the uninsured of this country would be $100 Billion. The cost of healthcare to the uninsured will be significantly higher than $100 Billion or the $120 Billion figure that Hillary has cited. Yes the health care system is broken and a number of reforms need to be made. Hillary's idea of making medical insurance mandatory is not a bad idea, but the program should be left to the private sector. Everyone needs to pay something into the system based upon their income. Tort reform will also help in lessening the costs of our healthcare.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The cost of a government run healthcare system combined with, an insolvent social security system that democrats will not even acknowledge being a problem, a medicare system that will go broke before social security does and other social programs will dessimate our government and wreck the future of our children.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and Hillary are living in a fantasy world if you think that the cost of providing healthcare  to the uninsured of this country would be $100 Billion. The cost of healthcare to the uninsured will be significantly higher than $100 Billion or the $120 Billion figure that Hillary has cited. Yes the health care system is broken and a number of reforms need to be made. Hillary&#8217;s idea of making medical insurance mandatory is not a bad idea, but the program should be left to the private sector. Everyone needs to pay something into the system based upon their income. Tort reform will also help in lessening the costs of our healthcare.</p>

<p>The cost of a government run healthcare system combined with, an insolvent social security system that democrats will not even acknowledge being a problem, a medicare system that will go broke before social security does and other social programs will dessimate our government and wreck the future of our children.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: nv1962</title>
		<link>http://nv1962.net/2007/09/25/english-translation-of-the-aznar-bush-transcript/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>nv1962</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No prob. And thanks for dropping by. :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Actually, Lawrence Lindsay had the &lt;em&gt;temerity&lt;/em&gt; of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lindsay#The_Iraq_controversy" title="Wikipedia - Lawrence B. Lindsey" rel="nofollow"&gt;suggesting a cost between $100 and $200&lt;/a&gt; billion; four times the amount estimated by the OMB's Director and (then SecDef) Donald Rumsfeld, but it got him fired eventually just the same.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;According to the National Priorities Project, the tally for "real" &lt;a href="http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&#038;Itemid=182" title="Cost of the war in Iraq" rel="nofollow"&gt;expenditure on the war in Iraq&lt;/a&gt; stands, at the moment of this typing, at just over $455 billion. According to estimates by &lt;a href="http://www.aei-brookings.org/publications/abstract.php?pid=988" rel="nofollow"&gt;Scott Wallsten and Katrina Kosec&lt;/a&gt;, published two years ago (!) the &lt;em&gt;total, global cost&lt;/em&gt; of the war in Iraq through the year 2015 would be about 1 &lt;strong&gt;trillion&lt;/strong&gt; dollars (of which $600bn was attributed by them to the US' budgets). But that's a conservative estimate. &lt;a href="http://www.milkeninstitute.org/publications/review/2006_12/76_83mr32.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Joe Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes&lt;/a&gt; put the total expenditure much higher: about &lt;strong&gt;2 trillion&lt;/strong&gt; in a study published in the fall of last year (2006).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And to think that coverage to provide universal health care to all those presently uninsured in the US would cost about 100 billion dollars... Less than half this year's spending on the war in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No prob. And thanks for dropping by. <img src='http://nv1962.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

<p>Actually, Lawrence Lindsay had the <em>temerity</em> of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lindsay#The_Iraq_controversy" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lindsay#The_Iraq_controversy');" title="Wikipedia - Lawrence B. Lindsey">suggesting a cost between $100 and $200</a> billion; four times the amount estimated by the OMB&#8217;s Director and (then SecDef) Donald Rumsfeld, but it got him fired eventually just the same.</p>

<p>According to the National Priorities Project, the tally for &#8220;real&#8221; <a href="http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&#038;Itemid=182" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&#038;Itemid=182');" title="Cost of the war in Iraq">expenditure on the war in Iraq</a> stands, at the moment of this typing, at just over $455 billion. According to estimates by <a href="http://www.aei-brookings.org/publications/abstract.php?pid=988" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.aei-brookings.org/publications/abstract.php?pid=988');">Scott Wallsten and Katrina Kosec</a>, published two years ago (!) the <em>total, global cost</em> of the war in Iraq through the year 2015 would be about 1 <strong>trillion</strong> dollars (of which $600bn was attributed by them to the US&#8217; budgets). But that&#8217;s a conservative estimate. <a href="http://www.milkeninstitute.org/publications/review/2006_12/76_83mr32.pdf" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.milkeninstitute.org/publications/review/2006_12/76_83mr32.pdf');">Joe Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes</a> put the total expenditure much higher: about <strong>2 trillion</strong> in a study published in the fall of last year (2006).</p>

<p>And to think that coverage to provide universal health care to all those presently uninsured in the US would cost about 100 billion dollars&#8230; Less than half this year&#8217;s spending on the war in Iraq.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Francisco</title>
		<link>http://nv1962.net/2007/09/25/english-translation-of-the-aznar-bush-transcript/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Francisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Con permisso, por favor.  Bush estimated it would cost $50 &lt;i&gt;billion&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; U.S., and it has already cost $550 &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;billion&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Con permisso, por favor.  Bush estimated it would cost $50 <i>billion</i><i> U.S., and it has already cost $550 </i><i>billion</i><i>.</i></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Francisco</title>
		<link>http://nv1962.net/2007/09/25/english-translation-of-the-aznar-bush-transcript/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Francisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bush estimated to Aznar that his illegal invasion would cost $50 million.  When his budget analyst Lawrence Lindsay told him, before the war, it would cost $200 million, Bush fired him.  It has already cost 11 times what Bush claimed it would.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our president lives in a fantasy world.  On those rare occasions when he has the facts, he lies about them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;His next dream is to invade Iran and he comes ever closer to realizing that.  His dreams are our nightmares.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush estimated to Aznar that his illegal invasion would cost $50 million.  When his budget analyst Lawrence Lindsay told him, before the war, it would cost $200 million, Bush fired him.  It has already cost 11 times what Bush claimed it would.</p>

<p>Our president lives in a fantasy world.  On those rare occasions when he has the facts, he lies about them.</p>

<p>His next dream is to invade Iran and he comes ever closer to realizing that.  His dreams are our nightmares.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The $1billon Exile &#171; FOOTNOTED</title>
		<link>http://nv1962.net/2007/09/25/english-translation-of-the-aznar-bush-transcript/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>The $1billon Exile &#171; FOOTNOTED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] transcripts, Aznar was advising caution but Bush insisted on the invasion because, he said, &#8220;I am an optimist, because I believe that I’m right. I’m at peace with myself.&#8220;     Posted by R. Ortiz Filed in Bush, Europe, Middle East, [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] transcripts, Aznar was advising caution but Bush insisted on the invasion because, he said, &#8220;I am an optimist, because I believe that I’m right. I’m at peace with myself.&#8220;     Posted by R. Ortiz Filed in Bush, Europe, Middle East, [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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